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Never Speak Ill of Binaural Beats in My House, Woman!

I have been intrigued about binaural beats for some time now without ever really diving headlong into them. I think if I’m being honest, I saw them as the lazy persons meditation, or maybe even meditation without the spiritual element.

Also, when they first hit the scene commercially speaking, they were ridiculously expensive and I know people that have spent literally thousands of dollars on programs from companies such as Holosync.

Having said that, people who I like, trust, and respect have been raving about their benefits for some while now and urging me to check them out.  So when Carl approached my about writing a post I thought it may be time to lower my skeptical guard and give him the platform to convince me.

It’s a longish post, but that’s because it goes into the science behind the idea and I think it’s important when we make such claims to back them up with evidence! Otherwise we risk drifting into the Law of Attraction land of hopes and dreams.

There are a couple of affiliate links in this post one of which goes to a long letter sales page. Normally I would never link to something like that and it’s only because I trust Carl that I’m doing so now. But if you’re against the whole affiliate deal, let me know and I’ll ask Carl to send you a direct URL.

Edit by Tim: There is an interesting debate in the comments that I think you should read so that you can make your own mind up on this.

Never Speak Ill of Binaural Beats in My House, Woman!

I had a row with my girlfriend recently. Not a blazing row, I hasten to add; no insults were thrown, no violence threatened. In retrospect, it was more of a quiet disagreement.

But in my house, when you speak ill of binaural beats, you can be expected to be held in low regard and potentially even banished to the naughty cupboard.

Go over there & reflect on the evil you’ve just uttered”, I wanted to say.

Instead, I stammered, Colin Firth style:

But darling… binaural beats cause brainwave synchronization… which has been repeatedly proven to provide a whole raft on benefits…. like reduced stress…. increased creativity… remember the Princeton university studies? …. Leonardo Di Vinci even referenced it …. increased endorphins… it’s better than meditation… you devil woman

She looked up at me, grimacing, and noted: “But I just said I liked binaural beats”

“I know”, I said, “but you don’t love binaural beats. And if you used them properly, you’d love them like I do”.

The Problem with “Liking” Binaural Beats

The reason I wanted my darling Nina to “love” binaural beats, is that people who love something are more likely to take time out to do more of it.

I love eating steak & playing Sim City on my iPad, so I don’t need to motivate myself to do more of either.

People who “like” something will rarely prioritize it above “more important” pursuits like watching crap on TV & moaning about the recession.

I quite like the buzz I get from doing 50 push ups, but not enough to swap it for a tasty bacon sandwich on a Sunday morning. So more often than not, I eat sweet cured pork, rather than punishing my body. Who woulda thought?

It’s all about feeling the love.

Why I Want Nina – And You – To Love Binaurals

When used regularly – binaural beats truly rock. And they come with a raft of health benefits (see below).

And as she’s the woman I love, I want Nina to get the same benefits that I’ve been getting for the past few years – namely less stress, more energy, better ideas & an ever-increasing sense of well-being.

(OK, plus I figure I’ll get more sack action & home cooked food. You got me?)

And for you – well, I’m all for meeting happy & chilled people. Binaural beats will help you to feel more happy & chilled. Voila. Good karma.

Why All Open Minded People Should Consider Using Binaurals

Simply put, there’s no personal development tool that offers such a high reward / investment ratio. In short, you get MAJOR benefits for sitting quietly with headphones on.

I call binaural beats the “lazy way to inner peace”, because they don’t take much skill in the slightest to get results. If you can sit still with your eyes shut for 20 minutes & continue breathing, you have the skill-levels required for quantum leap improvements using binaural beats! And no, you don’t need to know how to meditate.

As such, if you are interested in personal growth, are relatively open-minded, and are willing to experience profound improvements in mental & physical well-being, read on, and I’ll explain all.

Quick Recap: What are binaural beats?

For those of you scratching their heads, wondering what on earth binaural beats are, here’s a quick summary:

Binaural beats are sound waves, typically played as MP3s. You listen using headphones. These sound waves are below the level we can consciously hear. There’s some magic science going on, but in layman’s terms, to “make sense” of the sounds, your brain has to s-l-o-w down & really chill out. It basically goes into nap mode.

So your brain is asleep (in alpha, theta or delta brainwaves, for the geeks amongst you). But you are awake. This feels invigorating. And it’s very good for you (see below).

It’s a bloody wonderful experience!

Where’s the Science, Please, Charlatan?

OK enough rhetoric; it’s time for some science. I don’t want you to take my word for it. (Seriously, don’t)

So here’s a random splattering of thought-provoking tid-bits I’ve learned on my binaural beats journey. For sake of brevity, I’m giving you the bare essentials, but you can get full references at Binaural Beats Geek

Just one session creates awesome benefits. A summary of 20 peer reviewed papers noted that binaural beats are an “effective therapeutic tool”, and that “the immediate psychological effects on memory, attention, stress, pain, headaches & migraines were shown to benefit from even a single session”. Nice.

Proven physiological impact. Dr Vincent Giampapa, former president of the American Board of Anti-Aging Medicine, wrote in the New England Journal of Medicine that binaural beats “dramatically impact” the production of three hormones directly related to longevity of life & overall well-being; namely cortisol, DHEA & melatolin.

Cortisol – which is similar to adrenaline; having too much causes stress – goes down (in one study by 46%); DHEA – used as a “source ingredient” for virtually every “good” hormone in the body, a real immune system booster – goes up (43% average); and melatonin – a chemical produced when we are deeply asleep  goes up by up to 98%.

In short, our bodies seem to love binaural beats. Your body will thank you for using them!

Multiple proven health-increasing benefits. According to research papers from Wilson & Rhodes, binaural beats “increase relaxation, meditation, pain management; improve sleep, and reduce stress”. Not a bad set of benefits for a tool which starts at around $10.

Increase creativity & brain functioning. The Monroe Institute found that binaural beats “increase focus, problem solving, creativity, memory, learning, sleep induction, pain control & enhanced learning”.

Find a second-hand copy of the incredible book Megabrain by Michael Hutchison – for a 300 page roller-coaster on the benefits of messing with your brainwaves. You’ll never look at binaural beats the same way again.

Increased relaxation & learning. Want to relax more, but achieve more too?

A research paper from a team at Marie Curie Cancer Foundation found that binaural beats increase production of serotonin, which increases relaxation & reduces pain. Also, production of catecholamines is boosted, which are vital to memory & learning. So you really can relax deeply and learn more at the same time. Super sweet.

Increased IQ? Here’s where the benefits start to get really trippy.

Dr Siegried Othmer found that binaural beats users enjoyed average IQ increases of 23%. If the IQ was lower than 100 to begin with, the average leap was 33 points. There’s hope for us idiots yet!

Plus, in a follow-up study one year later, Dr Othmer reported “major long-term improvements in self-esteem & concentration, and significant improvements in sleep patterns, irritability & organization”. So the effects last after you stop using them.

Impact on Sleep, Anxiety & Depression.

Finally, three separate research studies demonstrated a “significant reduction” in anxiety; an “increase in the quality of life”; binaural beats “influence people to fall asleep”; and levels of depression amongst depressed folks reduced to that of a control group of non depressed people.

So if you’re an anxious, depressed insomniac, you’re in luck. (Note – that’s a joke – naturally you should see a Doctor!)

Convinced to give binaural beats a go yet?

Having used binaurals (or their new, powerful cousin – Isochronic Tones) several times a week for 3 years, I can attest to the fact that I’m much more relaxed; more creative – referenced by the fact I’ve started 5 businesses & work for myself now – I sleep better; I stopped smoking; and I’m a much happier bunny than I used to be.

I don’t let stress get to me anymore. I haven’t had a cold for 18 months.

And based on the emails I get from subscribers to my site, these benefits aren’t limited to me. I get notes from people all around the world who gush about their increased creativity, better state of mind, and overall sense of well-being.

So, kind skeptic: When are you going to give this ground-breaking technology a chance?

And I mean, a proper chance. i.e. try it for a few weeks. See what changes. I guarantee, you will experience changes. Nice ones, too.

… Just One Last Thing, Columbo Style

I nearly forgot: My favorite benefit of binaural beats is that they get you into a state of brainwave synchronization. This is a state of deep awareness & intense mental clarity, caused when the left & right hemispheres of your brain become synchronized.

Remembers Tim’s awesome post on creativity that involved sticking a finger up your nose to see which side of your brain was in control? Well, with this little beauty both sides are operating at the same time.

And not only does this massively increase your level of creative thought & feelings of well-being, but as binaural beats expert Bill Harris sagely notes, you’ll feel “an experience of connection with the rest of the universe, accompanied by profound inner peace & happiness”.

Even Dr Lester Fehmi, Head of Biofeedback Research at Princeton University, describes this state as:

“an ‘into-it-ness’, where instead of feeling separate & narrow focused, you tend to feel more unified with the experience, you are the experience – and the scope of your awareness is widened a great deal… it’s as if you become less self-conscious and you function more intuitively”.

Look: if the head of brain stuff at PRINCETON is raving like a little fairy about “unifying” with the universe, you know this stuff is worth checking out.

Now, I must say that even I – with all hours my practice & effort & pro-binaural-beats-propaganda – don’t reach this state every time. It takes a bit of skill, practice and commitment, but aren’t the potential results worth that?

In short, you need to be super-chilled, and properly let go of all thoughts & stresses. It happens when it happens.

But when you do manage it… wow.

Basically, this is as close to enlightenment – in terms of what feels like a connection to God (sorry Tim) – as you’ll likely experience on this plane.

Words can’t describe the feeling… because it’s not really “you”; your brain shuts off and you just… feel…. connected. It’s bliss.

Go Get Some Binaurals, They’re Quite Cheap

So, here’s the deal – if you’re a busy person, who wants to maximize their time & results, you could do a lot worse than playing with some binaural beats to get you into a state of peak performance / bliss / relaxation quickly.

My only ask is that you try them for a few weeks before making a judgment. You’ll find that you relax more & get better results each time you use them.

A good cheap option is to choose something from the avalanche of options at Unexplainable Store ($10-30 – opt for “Isochronic Tones” for best results). These are inexpensive, pretty powerful, and fun.

If you want to make a profound shift, like me, I’d highly recommend the 6 month program from Brain Evolution System , which I’ve just completed. I’m gonna send Tim my CDs so he can experience it too.

Basically you’re supposed to listen every day (I didn’t – maybe 3-4 times per week), and it gradually takes you deeper and deeper into this crazily blissful state of mind. You’ll notice a profound shift in the way you see – and relate to – the world.

You’ll feel better, sleep better, and spend 30 minutes each day in Nirvana.

I hope I’ve shattered your paradigm on binaural beats. For a free sample, ebook, and tips on getting better results, feel free to sign up at Binaural Beats Geek . Otherwise, go forth and prosper.

And – to my lovely Nina – never speak ill of binaural beats again, woman!

Carl Harvey is a 26 year old entrepreneur, sales trainer, NLP-er & marketer. He runs a number of cool websites including Binaural Beats Geek . His girlfriend is lovely, although she better not ever speak ill of binaural beats ever ever again. He’ll happily answer any questions in the comments below. He likes to paraphrase Ghandi and say “I’ve got a super busy day today, so I must be sure to listen to binaural beats for longer than usual”. Honestly, he does say that.

Tims Note: Ok, I’m sold on the theory and I am going to commit to trying them out EVERY DAY for the month or so. If you’ve ever used them on a consistent basis with them let me know how you got on in the comments.

If you haven’t, but intend doing so now, please let me know how you get on as I’d like write a follow up post at some stage.

112 comments to Never Speak Ill of Binaural Beats in My House, Woman!

  • Tim, Never in my life have I heard of Binaural Beats. I have long believed in and practiced meditaion, and – although I kidded you on Twitter – I have listened to hypnosis (yes, Paul McKenna) to help me to properly think about money, confidence, etc. But, these sound fascinating. I might have to give them a go.

  • Very interesting. Never heard of them.

    I don’t have an mp3 player or headphones though-how sad is that?

  • Before this post I had never heard of so called binaural beats. The concept makes sense. Being able to relax your brain is a huge benefit.

    I’ll have to study up on that.

  • I did post this as Carl is on his way to Thailand, so my apologies for that and any comments that require his feedback may be a day or two in coming.

  • Binaural beats – sounds like the latest African holiday craze.

    But it seems like it works, so I must ditch my attempts at humour and give it a try. Great read :-)

  • Michael Herzog

    And those frequencies can really survive lossy MP3 compression? Amazing.

    • I’m intrigued by that too because I know in the early days you couldn’t transfer them to Mp3 and still get the effect. Now however I know some are specifically designed to work that way so curious to see what Carl will say.

  • I’ve experimented with I-Doser and Holosync, but never anything long-term. This post has convinced me to try them out for a month or so (like you Tim). I believe some binaural beats are designed for relaxation while others are designed for increased attention (it depends what frequency of brain waves you’re getting).

    I’m wondering if Carl ever uses these while he works or if he only uses these during his 30 minutes of “down-time?”

  • I am going to speak ill of Binaural beats, sorry.

    Tim, any benefits you gain from listening to binaural beats will not be down to ‘binaural beats’ per sé but for other reasons entirely, probably due to suggestion as a result of expectation.

    The pseudo science quoted here is massively flawed. The idea that listening to sounds set at certain frequencies somehow enables your brainwave activity to be set at parallel levels is ridiculous and scientifically impossible. And to suggest one frequency of binaural beat can do the same thing to each unique human being is more ridiculous.

    I urge you to read my investigation on binaural beats here at my website:
    http://www.adam-eason.com/2010/10/21/hypnosis-and-binaural-beats-can-binaural-beats-be-used-to-induce-hypnosis/

    When someone runs a website geared up to selling and promoting binaural beats, their take on research is going to help that promotion, right? It would be far more beneficial to my own business to incorporate binaural beats into my own hypnosis audio programmes, but they do nothing that they purport to do.

    An extract of what I say in my own article:

    If I hypothetically create an audio programme stating that it uses binaural beats to help you lose weight, you are most likely to report that it helped you lose some weight than (if you had no idea what is was supposed to be for) you are to say “Well it didn’t affect my weight, but I found myself stopping smoking.”

    The suggestion given with the title/aim of the track, accompanied by believable pseudo-science and the expectancy created (we all know the power of expectancy) all potentially combines to deliver the outcome suggested.

    I wonder… If I gave that audio programme, designed to help someone lose weight, that had binaural beats on it to create that effect, but did not tell anyone what it was for, just asked them to report their findings… How many do you think would be able to know what the track was aimed at doing?

    It is a healthy sceptism I have, I assure you. it is not cynicism. There is nothing wrong with listening to this stuff, but the reasons it gets any results are not due to the pseudo science suggested here.

    Best wishes, Adam.

    ps. Tim, us red dogs did the double over you sheep this season and I have not milked it at all!

    • I toyed with deleting this comment and I’ll tell you for why, but first let me tell you why I didn’t.

      Freedom of speech is critical here and I have never deleted a comment that wasn’t abusive.

      I want people to speak up and disagree with me if they feel the need and he same goes for guest posters. Anybody can say “That’s bullshit” if they want and don’t make it personal.

      In fact I want people to throw out differing opinions. It’s what makes it fun and educational, right?

      I was on the fence about binaural beats (and even told Carl so via e-mail) and if I hadn’t had so many people tell me they has seen positive results I’d not have run it. But I really like Carl and trust his motives implicitly, so I decided to run it and see what happened.

      Let me tell you why I considered deleting your comment it.

      A few years ago I used to use relaxation tapes with subliminal messages embedded in an attempt to reduce stress. For almost 2 frickin years I listened to this tape (put out by Hay House) almost every day whilst walking the hound and I saw not one jot of difference.

      Then I read about the story (probably apocryphal) of when Bandler sent out subliminal tapes to his clients to help them lower stress and relax and they almost all got great results.

      Bandler claims that the subliminal messages were in effect the complete opposite of what he told people. I even think he said some them were messages of evil intent such as suggesting the listener committed suicide (I may well be wrong on that, but with Bandler, who knows?)

      Even before the Bandler story I never really thought the subliminal messages would work. I just hoped they would. Therefore I had no real belief and that probably prevented me seeing any positive results.

      I also think lots of hypno and NLP is smoke and mirrors, especially stage hypno and built entirely on suggestion and belief.

      One light tap on the shoulder forming an anchor? Purleeease, that is 100% suggestion and the subject wanting to be complicit with the trainer or person on stage.

      But here is my problem. Should we deny people the opportunity to improve the quality of their lives by telling them “Hey, this isn’t real you know, you’re lying to yourself” and thus destroy the power of belief?

      Or should we be happy they are changing, irrespective of how that change happens?

      Of course the flip side is there is an ethical dilemma by selling people a placebo, even if that placebo helps them.

      We’re kinda screwed now though because anybody reading the comments will be skeptical and lose the benefit of belief they may have had.

      But I felt it unfair to delete it because what you say may very well be true and I don’t want anybody to think they can’t share their point of view here.

      As for Forest, well yeh, I’ve been having these conversations for 35 years now. We beat you, then you beat us, then we beat you, then you beat us. Congrats on your first ever win at Pride Park and I’m sure Billy Davies is building a fine team ready to do well in the Premiership. Now if you believe that you really have no right knocking binaural beats or even the tooth fairy for that matter ;-)

      • I’m with Tim here. I think. If I can give you a pretty pill and you’ll never have headaches again, even though it’s only you and your auto-suggestion that makes them go away, should I not?

        I should. And after a while, I should carefully teach you that it wasn’t the pill that did it – it was you all along&how cool is that? You’ve fixed your own headaches, you rockstar you! What obstacle is next, eh?

        Point is: A placebo is pretty damn useless if it isn’t used to teach the subject how far his own powers really go – as long as he recognises he HAS them.

        • Rob Collins

          Martin, I completely agree! Definitely take that pill!

          However:
          a) Let’s make sure that any claims made about how it works are backed up by sound evidence. In other words, don’t resort to pseudo-science in an attempt to give it legitimacy.

          b) If you were offered a pink pill costing you $10, and a yellow pill you could have for free that had exactly the same effects as the pink pill, which pill would you
          choose?

          c) According to the New Scientist article I linked to elsewhere in this discussion, we *might* be able to tell people in advance that the effect is all down to expectation (placebo) and not break the beneficial effects. This would be awesome!

          • I’d take the 10$ pill, given that I really want change. If it costs me more I’ll take it more seriously. Sorry, I’m a human sucker.

            As for evidence, sod science right down the mud. The only thing that counts is experience.

            • Rob Collins

              I’m lost for words, on both counts!

              “Sod science down to the mud” – OK then, so you’re going to stop using electricity, or any form of modern medicine, from now on. Until, that is, you discover them by yourself. Utterly ridiculous comment!

              I’m going to leave this debate now before I get (any more) irate. Lol!

              • Well, as for modern medicine: there’s more in nature than either science or modern medicine is willing to admit, and that’s all I’ll say about it.

                As for electricity and such: I’d love me a quill. Seriously.

            • @Martin, with regards to this comment: “As for evidence, sod science right down the mud. The only thing that counts is experience.” I feel a need to respond.

              Would you prefer the medical care that you and your family receive from your healthcare providers to have subjected your medicine to only anecdotal tests before prescribing them to you? Is it not responsible to subject health intervention to science and robust evidence?

              For me personally, as a professional therapist, I consider it a moral obligation and wholly responsible to subject the interventions I use with clients to some scrutiny. Don’t fellow humans deserve that much?

              What’s more, here in the UK, we have a legal duty of care that we must adhere to. That means that we do all we can to ensure the best choices are made for each individual seeking therapy. The best choices are made if we are as fully informed as possible. To have it supported by unequivocal scientific support strikes me as absolutely responsible, and necessary.

              I am not expecting you to start hollering ‘hallelujah! I’ve found science’ but having a balanced, non-dismissive perspective of either side is wise in my book.

              Best wishes, Adam.

              • Adam, you’re quite right. I was pretty bold in saying that and unjustly so.

                That doesn’t mean that science is the only validator for us to take seriously.

                Even if science is not yet able to prove or disprove something, it can still be valid and useful. I guess that is what caused my -admittedly ill-advised- outburst.

                So many cures and opportunities go to waste just because people won’t accept it or take it seriously until science has confirmed it.

                The same science, by the way, which on occasion tells us something is a good idea only to turn 180 some years later after new research has shown errors in the research while ignoring people who are pointing out those errors.

                • @Martin, thanks for your considered response; appreciated… And I assure you that I hear you with your stance in relation to science. Best wishes, A.

                • @Adam

                  Thank you for that Adam. Today is the first day I’ve ever been called a troll, so I’m glad that at least someone (aside from Tim who doesn’t know better anyway :) is taking me seriously, even if you disagree.

                • Anonymous

                  @Martin. Apologies for calling you a troll. I see now that this wasn’t your intention. I was just startled by your views. Shake hands? :)

                • @Anonymous: Rob is that you? No apologies accepted – I was being callous.

                  Handshakes, drinks and confetti for everyone.

                • Rob Collins

                  Yep it was me accidentally being Anonymous! I think we got a little side-tracked here about science. We should chat more sometime because I think we probably are just misunderstanding each other a little!

                  Peace!

                • Would be fun to chat about this, yes!

        • I think, if anyone chooses to use scientific justification for a treatment, they have to be ready to have a scientific discussion. I think it’s healthy to be skeptical of something that works in a way that isn’t well-understood, and double-blind trials are a good way to determine whether effects are due to the placebo effect or something more interesting.

          My problem with the science section of the article is that it’s suspiciously one-sided. Science isn’t about persuasion, it’s about weighing the evidence. I don’t know if the references have been cherry-picked or if there are genuinely no negative results – either way, the science reporting seems a bit fishy.

          That’s not to say if the science did turn out to be unreliable, the beats are useless – if they work for you, they work for you.

          Science isn’t about authority, it’s about evidence and debate – and if you’re going to use the word, you have to be prepared for both.

          • Science only goes so far. Usually, humanity is the agent to confirm or disprove science either long after, or long before, experience has given ‘proof’.

            I hope that the above sounds really confusing. It means something exquisitely profound but I’m too busy scientifically corroberating data to tell you exactly how profound.

            • The thing about discussion, Martin, is that it works best when you respond to what the other person said, rather than attacking a straw man.

              I don’t know if you read my comment, but I’ll summarise it again:
              1) if someone wants to talk science, they have to be prepared for a scientific debate;
              2) if your science looks suspicious, you have to be twice as ready for scientists to be skeptical of it;
              3) if it’s helpful, it’s helpful – I think we agree on that.

              It could be that binaural beats work in some way we don’t understand and could lead to great psychological discoveries, but it’s not worth trying to figure that out until we’re sure it’s an effect of the beats rather than the placebo effect.

              • Rob Collins

                Don’t feed the troll!

              • The history of science is littered with screw ups because scientists couldn’t look at things objectively and were invested in their own ideas.

                Scientists are people too and they delete, distort and generalize just like the rest of us.

                The guy (who’s name I forget) who proved the link between doctors not washing their hands and the spread of infection was ridiculed and ostracized and he had hard data.

                It would be easy to say “Oh that was then and this is now” but now will be then in 100 years time and the people then will look back at us and laugh.

                I agree we cannot dismiss science, that would be silly, but I do think some people take it as gospel when on occasions it isn’t.

                @ Rob & Colin – Martin isn’t a troll, he isn’t trying to wind people up, he just has a different take, and that’s cool by me.

                • Rob Collins

                  I’m never said that science is infallible or that scientists don’t make mistakes!

                  However, to say that personal experience is more valid than scientific evidence is just… ludicrous! That would mean we can’t accept that anything is true unless we experience it ourselves.

                  “Science” isn’t just a bunch of mad old men in white coats locked away in labs doing inhumane things to animals, purely to make money for faceless corporations.

                  Science is simply having an idea, then designing and performing an experiment to see if it holds true or not. Anyone can do science in their bedroom.

                  Science isn’t tied to any 1 point of view. Science goes where the evidence points. I’d happily change all of my views on God, evolution, climate change etc, if there is scientific consensus.

                  I feel like I’m wasting my breath a bit here to be honest… there was an article in New Scientist recently which discusses all of what I’m trying to say much more articulately than I can!

                • Tim, people have been aware of researcher bias and the human involvement with research for many decades. That is why we have double and triple blind research – it eliminates any bias and removes any contamination of those doing the research.

                  When a triple blind experimentation is then properly peer reviewed, it is really rare these days that any of the results are distorted, generalised or deleted. It is not infallible, I concur, but those concerns you have cited here, have been examined massively already and mostly eliminated.

                  Man, this thread took some turns, eh? A.

              • Your points are valid, Colin. I agree with all three points and I had read the comment I replied to.

                It’s just that science is known to be behind in uncovering facts very often.

                For example, people from all walks of life have known for ages that meditation is ‘beneficial’ without being able to provide scientific data.

                Just this week, I read a few news items ‘revealing’ that meditation actually causes near-instant change in brain mass.

                Well, hey-ho. Why, please, does the world have to wait for science to confirm something before the world at large should take it seriously?

                • Rob Collins

                  “Why, please, does the world have to wait for science to confirm something before the world at large should take it seriously?”

                  Well, you don’t HAVE to wait for science to confirm or deny a theory, but you should be aware that there could be negative consequences for yourself if you charge ahead with an unproven belief!

                  In the “least bad” cases, you might waste money on products that have little or no beneficial effect.

                  In the worst case scenario, you could buy products that actually harm your health. For example, we now know that long term exposure to Radium is bad for your health. But back when radioactivity was first discovered, people did all sorts of dangerous things with radioactive substances that after months and years caused deformities, required amputations and even killed people.

                  Also, there’s the more philosophical question of “How do we know that something is true?” For example, I could tell you that I 100% believe that there’s a flying teapot orbiting the Earth (to steal a well-known example). You’re perfectly entitled to follow my belief, but you’d be wise to look for some evidence!

                  The strength of my personal belief doesn’t make something any more true. Only evidence can help us decide if theories are true or not. Hence the need for scientific enquiry.

                • Barry

                  Interesting discussion. But I don’t think that anyone claims science has to confirm things before the world takes it seriously, it’s just that some of us are always perturbed when science is used to sell a product like this – particularly when the science seems vague, one-sided or hard to confirm.

                  When ‘scientific’ studies conclude that something can ‘increase relaxation, meditation, pain management; improve sleep, and reduce stress’ and others conclude that is shows ‘significant reduction in anxiety; an “increase in the quality of life”;’ it’s not hard to be suspicious because these claims are incredibly hard to verify.

                  FFS How do you scientifically measure an ‘increase in the quality of life’?

                  None of this is to say that binaural beats aren’t useful, just that when what looks like dodgy science is used to support an argument, it’s always worrying – even more so when it’s used to sell a product, as Carl is doing in this post.

                  Personally I’d be more inclined to give it a go if I was told there’s no scientific evidence whatsoever, it’s not been measured but lots of people seem to find it useful.

                  My experience has always been the moment you start using science to support a sales pitch, you’d better be ready to talk science.

                • Martin, I think Barry replied better than I could here – apologies if I misinterpreted your responses as overly provocative.

                  My point throughout hasn’t been “don’t use the beats, they’re rubbish”, just that the ‘science’ quoted in the text smells fishy and I’d like to see more justification for it.

                  I agree that science can be slow to react to change – but it _is_ prepared to change in the face of evidence.

                  Tim, I agree scientists have a vested interest in their theories – but I don’t think it’s unreasonable to suggest an experiment that determines whether the effect is significant before going on a wild goose chase to find out how these brain wave thingies work.

                • @Tim: Pity that comments here only nest so far…

                  @Colin (below): Thanks for that mate. Sure I was provocative but not with any ill intent.

                  It just saddens me to see how often we lag behind in life simply because people take science as another form of religion.

  • Rob Collins

    Thanks Adam for the healthy scepticism. This does sound like the work of the placebo effect to me. Have there been any double-blind studies that compare binaural beats to silence? I would expect zero significant difference, I.e, any beneficial effects reported are due to the placebo effect.

    Also, if these sound waves are such low pitch that humans cannot hear them, then most headphones & speakers are incapable of reproducing those sounds as they’ll be lower than the equipment’s frequency response. Do I need a high-end hifi to benefit?!

    These are just my initial thoughts, I’ll happily look into the details and keep an open mind.

    • Thanks for commenting Rob, and can I ask you this in an atmosphere of genuine open debate:

      Is you expecting to see zero significant difference any different to somebody expecting to see the opposite.

      In other words, have you already made your mind up and will look for data that will support your belief? If so, is that any different to somebody believing they work and looking for data (albeit anecdotal) to support that?

      Just opening it up a bit here because I am genuinely on the fence.

      I sent an e-mail to Carl saying I was skeptical. and got this reply (and I hope he’s cool with me publishing it.

      “Ok, re: you…. Here’s the thing: I was INCREDIBLY skeptical before I tried them, so I did the majority of the research referenced in my post BEFORE I ever tried them.

      So when I did get them, I had already been convinced by all the brain experts that they would be magic. Self fulfilling prophecy, really, but also I knew I just had to “let go” and relax – so thats what I did.”

  • I’m sceptical, it’s my default nature. The comments are interesting. But the contradiction in the post itself is more interesting. Apparently just one session (or every session) can bring amazing results. But… you also have to stick with it to really notice the benefit. So which is it? I’m sure it’s harmless, but like the Atkins diet, it probably works for reasons other than those suggested.

  • steven

    Binaural is a great album. My favorite would have to be No Code or Yield, but still one I’d their better albums.

  • Rob Collins

    Hey Tim

    I’m with you totally. You’re talking about positive confirmation bias, which is well known. That’s why we need peer-reviewed double-blind clinical trials. They take expectation completely out of the picture. It’s the best way that we have of discovering if something really works. And that’s the great thing about the scientific method. It works!

    If such trials have been performed and they show a statistically significant effect, over and above the placebo effect (e.g. Listening to silence), my expectation won’t matter. I’ll be a convert and I’ll buy myself some CDs in a flash!

    • I think my concern Rob, is if there are 1,000′s of people seeing beneficial help because they believe something is working be it Binaural beats or subliminal tapes do we have any right to smash their belief system and consequently stop them seeing improvements?

      The logically side of me says we should only deal in reality, the woo-woo side of me says what the hell is reality anyway and if they work for some people they work for some people. In the final analysis that is all I’m interested in as a coach but it’s a tough balancing act.

  • Rob Collins

    Tim

    You also mention the ethical dilemma about the placebo effect. There’s a very interesting article in a recent edition of New Scientist magazine about a study in which showed that people reported strong beneficial effects when given a placebo, even though they were told it was only a placebo! How amazing is that! If this can be replicated en masse, then it will resolve the ethical dilemma at the heart of many placebo treatments.

    I mostly agree with you in that I’d rather people improved themselves via placebo than not at all. Though I’d rather people did it for free if it had the same effect as buying a product. If people get all the benefits of Binaural Beats by meditating (for free), isn’t that better from their point of view?

    And then of course there’s the wider issue of pseudo-science eroding public confidence in teal science, with potentially dangerous effects such as with the MMR vaccine and the (bogus) links to autism.

    • Holy crap! That is insane.

      I think the meditating thing is interesting, but in my experience as a coach most people don’t want to do it and see it as a chore.

      The reason being is that meditation is active and requires a lot patience and commitment. Whereas binaural beats are passive and easier for people to do when they are nodding off etc.

      Just a guess really and personally if a client asked me which to do go for, I’d definitely say meditation.

      BTW, do you have a link to that report?

      • Rob Collins

        Hi! Yep, I have posted a comment with the link to the New Scientist report, it says it’s waiting for your moderation.

      • Rob Collins

        I agree that the label of “meditation” might put off some people.

        I see what you mean about the active/passive differences between Binaural Beats and meditation. How about an experiment to compare Binaural Beats with listening to silence?

        If listening to silence has the same beneficial effects, then we just need to find a suitable name for the technique that (a) isn’t based on pseudo-science and (b) is marketable to catch people’s attention (avoiding the issue with the label of “meditation”)

  • @Tim – Thanks for resisting the urge of being a blog comment facist, though I am perplexed at the notion that you considered deleting it… I think it is down to my Pro-Forest ps that you became biased.

    You see, I spend a huge amount of time having to demonstrate the efficacy and legitimacy of hypnotherapy and the evidence base for it. One of the biggest issues we encounter is getting associated with other alternative modalities of therapeutic intervention with little or no evidence base.

    To make the situation worse, related fields punctuate their sales pages and information with pseudoscience which makes it increasingly difficult to trust.

    So when I see someone selling their wares under the premise that if we listen to certain kinds of beats and frequencies, our brains are somehow ‘entrained’ to match that frequency, affect that level of brainwave activity and thus transform our state, I despair. The brain simply does not work like that, it can’t.

    As I write in my own article on the subject, if people do benefit from the usage, then great, but to insist they will benefit because of some pseudo scientific explanation is unethical in my book. (Though I would hasten to add, hopefully placebo effect will be far more ethical when we have more research to support its efficacy even when people know it is a placebo as per recent research, as already mentioned by @Rob here)

    All this said, I am personally up for prescribing any of my fellow marathon runners the Rocky theme tune music to help them run faster, and it has one hell of a great effect upon me.

    I think if you wish to persist with the wonderful openness to this kind of thing, then surely you ought to have a homeopath on as a guest poster and insist we all be open minded about that too – hundreds of thousands of people have claimed to benefit from it, and animals have apparently been healed, yet no-one has won the cash in James Randi’s $1,000,000.00 chalenge and proven it’s efficacy scientifically to date.

    Still your mate, A.

    • Firstly, I’m really pleased it’s you I’m talking to because we know each other so well and I know there is mutual respect and we’re having fun and not being nasty.

      I’d prefer if it were over a pint, but you live in some God forsaken frozen wasteland 4,500 miles away, so we’ll have to make do here.

      Data is data, pure and simple. How you interpret that data is another matter, but you cannot dispute it.

      I have a friend of a friend that is really into Healing Touch and Reiki. Personally I think it’s bollocks, but it makes her really happy and she occasionally spouts out some ‘research’ she’s read (probably from Woo-Woo Weekly) and I nod my head and smile knowingly.

      The reality is neither disciplines have been proven to work and I think it’s complete bullshit.

      So I have the choice of arguing with her and maybe smashing her belief system by explaining it’s never been proven in anything close to a scientific setting, and telling her she’s a gullible jerk. Or I can leave her alone with her beliefs to feel good about it.

      20 years ago (presuming you were into NLP then) if I’d asked you to have explained how reframing works, you wouldn’t have been able to tell me. You have have seen it work hundreds of times and had loads of data (albeit anecdotal), but proof?

      You’d have had none.

      And there would be psychotherapists lining up to tell you it was pseudoscience. The same ones btw, that have slowly be surely started to adopt NLP practices such as fast phobia cure and anchoring.

      It has only been with the advent of fMRI’s etc that we have been able to see exactly what happens to the brain when we reframe an event positively. It existed before, we just didn’t know why.

      I know we’re not quite apples to apples because you’re saying Carl resorted to pseudoscience and I honestly don’t know about that and/or the legitimacy of the people he refers to.

      And I’m going to address this matter to you and Kurt below. And let me make this very clear.

      It’s not about the fucking money

      I know you know that and weren’t referring to me mate, but I want to make that perfectly clear to anybody else reading.

      I’d have run this post with or without affiliate links, because I find it interesting and it creates thoughtful debate. In fact I am going to seriously consider taking the links out.

      Carl is in Thailand though and I’d rather I give him the opportunity to make his case when he gets back online, hopefully today or tomorrow.

      I would consider it highly unethical for people to sell this stuff if they themselves didn’t believe in it. But if they honestly, genuinely do and have seen it work, I don’t care whether it’s belief or science, because the net result is the same.

      About 20 years ago I spent a lot of time and money going to an acupuncturist for stress and got ZERO out of it. An honest question because I have no idea. Has that ever been scientifically proven to work?

      I visited 6 hypnotherapists in the UK to help with stress and none had any effect other than costing me a couple of grand in total.

      It wasn’t until I got here and found Michael Watson that I saw some benefit. I could have easily been one of the people you were having to patiently explain hypno to if I hadn’t read so much on the topic and realized I’d just stumbled on to idiots reading scripts from a book whilst I took a nap.

      I have had dozens of clients that came to me after getting NOTHING from therapy and some that were in it for many years, even decades.

      How ethical is it for a therapist to be taking money of a client for 25 frickin years without seeing any improvement. It’s ok though because the insurance company pays ;-)

      I’m on the fence with this and I really can see both sides. I’m not a believer in Binaural Beats, but I don’t want to dismiss them out of hand because they make no sense. Not yet anyway.

      I’m going to try them for a month and see what happens. The only problem is I don’t have the stress issues anymore, but I would like to sleep better so we’ll see.

      And don’t be perplexed at my 5 second pondering on deletion mate. I wasn’t in anyway meaning you shouldn’t have posted it or I was annoyed.

      Just that it was a belief system smasher and maybe, just maybe has prevented somebody from improving the quality of their life. But I get why you did it and I do understand and appreciate your point of view too.

      BTW, what’s your take on God?

      Has he been proven yet because I hear some really super intelligent people think he exists and will point to all sorts of poorly recorded non-double blind experiments with fish and stuff like that ;-)

      • Rob Collins

        Quick comment on acupuncture. Actually yes! I remember a study quoted in New Scientist that acupuncture does work, at least for pain-related ailments. This is surprising because usually acupuncture gets lumped in with other pseudo-science stuff like homeopathy that has very little decent evidence of its efficacy. The mechanism of how acupuncture can relieve pain symptoms is still unknown, however. And of course, it was just one study, so we should be cautious about its results.

        I’ll see if I can find a link to the article…

        • This really is an interesting thread. I am one of those woo-woo practitioners as well. For a very long time I was skeptical, because, well, really, how on earth can you accept the existence of phenomenon that operate outside of natural law?

          Then I started to notice the scientific work that was being done to support alternative therapies. It’s not a lot, and a lot of it needs to be duplicated before it’s really something I’d want to swear to, but I have come to truly honestly believe that these are natural phenomenon that we simply don’t understand yet.

          So, never having heard of binaural beats, I nevertheless completely support everything he says about being in the alpha state. It’s a unifying state very similar, (would say identical but don’t want to quibble) with being in the “zone”. I myself use a self-directed technique called Mindscape (which you’re free to google) and do most of my creative work while using it. So I hope Carl gets back soon because I’d like to ask him if he works while using the headphones.

          As an aside, I do completely sympathize with Adam’s reaction because it is tremendously disheartening to do a lot of work to “prove” that something that seems woo-woo is actually quite reliable, only to have them come to you next week with “the technology left to us by the Atlanteans” Gah!

  • Rob Collins

    Here’s the New Scientist article I was referring to earlier: http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn19904-placebos-can-work-even-when-you-know-theyre-fakes.html

    I would *love* to see a clinical trial which had 3 groups of participants. Group A listened to Binaural Beats every day for a few months, group B practiced traditional mediation for the same amount of time each day, group C did some trivial task instead.

  • Kurt

    A lot of salesmanship but not much technical advice.

    Can you please share which brainwaves you like to stimulate when, and for which purposes?

    Do you use beta/gamma/mu to increase IQ for example, and do you do them while doing a thinking task, or while “relaxing”?

    You kind of lumped alpha/theta/delta into one category, but surely one of those is better than the other, or do you have to sweep through them, is one better for encouraging sleep for example, and another better for relaxation?

    Which is better for meditation? A “stimulating” high frequency one, or a more relaxing low frequency one?

    Otherwise people are just going to start randomly playing around with them, using the wrong ones, at the wrong times for the wrong reasons.

    • Kurt, I’m going to let Carl respond to your valid points when he gets back online as I honestly can’t.

      Although having said that, I have some binaural beats on my iPhone that I’ve never really used (I’m an App junkie!) and they have all sorts of different lengths and frequencies depending on what state you want to achieve.

      You can see my response regarding the sales aspect though in my reply to Adam above.

  • Wow-great post from Carl (and Adam;).

    I’d heard of binaural beats b/4, but likely filed it under the “I’ll research this later along with h2 and h3 tags’ categories…

    Sounds like a wonderful method for reducing depression and anxiety. Any thing that improves sleep w/out benzodiazepines is alright in my humble book.

    I’ve listened to music while rocking in a rocking chair for most of my life. Alth I don’t have stats, I imagine there’s a physiological calm induced by the back and forth motion.

    I just may check out those binaurals…

    Thanks guys:)
    ~Linda

    • Actually the rocking chair has been proven!

      The motion acts on the sympathetic nervous system and reduces stress levels and even pain!

      • How interesting. How many centuries of people were deprived of those benefits because they had no scientific evidence?

        If it works, it works. The value lies in the effect something has, not in whether it’s been proven or not. That just ads to the possibilities of marketing stronger.

  • mark

    I have started start the same product today so I will let you know.
    First session did actually zone me out and I was relaxed but this could be just simply taking the time sitting still and ‘meditating’ so to speak. However I don’t care what the source is as long as it it has the desired effect. Lets see how it goes…jury’s out!

  • Barry

    Hi Tim,

    I’m more than a little surprised about your considering deleting Adam’s comment because it was critical of binaural beats. I’m glad that you didn’t though.

    I think I’m shocked because the point you keep coming back to is that whether binaural beats work or whether any supposed positive outcomes are due to expectation almost doesn’t matter as long as people think they see improvement in their lives.

    The contrasting argument (and the one I would normally have expected you to make) is that if binaural beats are snake oil then they’re just another thing that can distract people from realistically doing the things that will make their lives better.

    “My life sucks. Shall I set aside some time today to sort out my values and figure out a plan for how I can live my life in accordance with those whilst making a conscious commitment to self-improvement to get me to where I want to be – or should I just listen to some binaural beats instead?”

    I’d never heard of binaural beats before I read this post so have no vested interest in Adam’s or Carl’s viewpoints. However, I can’t agree with you, even if it was only a fleeting thought, that people should be shielded from criticism/debunking of any erroneous beliefs they may adopt because of the benefits of belief generally – especially when you know that there are better ways for people to become ‘rich and happy’ without having to lean on the crutches of false beliefs.

    As a life coach, is it really useful to encourage prescribing potential placebos to people or is it better to try and help them to realise that there are better and more tangible ways to improve your life.

    Let’s face it, it can be hard work to break through your fears and limiting beliefs and it takes a willingness to change and no small commitment to the process. It doesn’t take a lot to buy another ‘miracle effect for practically no effort’ product – whether that’s binaural beats or anything else.

    If you think about your comments here and replace the concept of ‘binaural beats’ with ‘The Secret’, is your viewpoint still the same? Here are a couple of quotes from your post on the law of attraction:

    ‘Just because it’s been embraced by so many people, doesn’t necessarily make it true. And yes out of the tens of thousand of scientist worldwide, I’m sure you can fine one or two that are LoA advocates, just as you can find some that think the link between smoking and lung cancer is tenuous.’

    ‘If you believe in the LoA read up on stuff that contradicts it. Look for examples that you attribute to the LoA and see if you can explain them in any other way. Read with an open mind…. Then if you still believe, that’s cool, go with it. By the way, I’d give that advice for any strongly held convictions you have, especially religious and political ones.’

    As I said, I don’t know anything about binaural beats but if Adam claims they are marketed with pseudo-science and links to a post he wrote where he outlines exactly why, even to consider deleting that because some people might be put off trying something that may or may not be a load of old codswallop is, given your track record, surprising to say the least.

    I totally agree with you about the power of belief, but relying on belief instead of action has always seemed a poor strategy to me. I’ll put my money on the grafter prepared to put in the effort to improve his lot in life instead of the believer every single day of the week.

    • No Barry it is not the same at The Secret at all. If you have read what I posted on that rather than cherry picked you’d know there is one HUGE difference.

      I have worked with several clients that believed their life sucked and it was all their own fault.

      The reason they thought that was because they watched The Secret and believed in the Law of Attraction at face value.

      Nobody thinks their life sucks because they don’t use Binaural Beats or because they used them and they didn’t work.

      So there is zero contradiction and we really have started comparing apples with oranges.

      And who said belief instead of action? Seriously where did I say or even suggest that? Nowhere.

      The fact of the matter is I don’t believe it so I wouldn’t say it.

      And anyway, somebody devoting 30 minutes or an hour a day to somnething like this is taking action. That is the definition of action.

      It may or may not be the right or wisest action, but that’s not the point.

      And don’t try and guilt trip me with the deletion thing because I was honest enough to admit it fleetingly crossed my mind. It fleetingly crossed my mind one time to vote Conservative but I didn’t fucking do it.

  • Rob

    I want to interject with a brief anecdote…

    Before beginning to use Binaural Beats several months ago, my girlfriend was quite skeptical of the technique. After reading a number of articles on the subject she decided to give it a go and noticed some beneficial results in her concentration and ability to relax.

    Now, there’s nothing in that example that can’t be chalked up to placebo (and I’m not looking to engage in the great placebo debate we have going on here), but what happened with her mom is tougher to explain through placebo in my view.

    My girlfriend’s mom has had Fibromyalgia for the last 20 or so years. The condition is characterized by deep muscle pain, fatigue, and sleep disturbances. Those are all true in the case of my girlfriend’s mom, who commonly woke up many times during the night for the last twenty years, preventing her from getting the restorative benefits of deep sleep.

    She tried many techniques to help her with the pain and with sleeplessness, including message, acupuncture, and medication. Some of them helped to a small degree (in the case of meds not without significant side effects), but nothing she tried ever allowed her to reclaim a full night’s sleep. The pain would always wake her up.

    She tried using a specific type of Binaural Beats at the behest of my girlfriend. This was just before Christmas. Her mom has since reported a decrease in pain and that she’s now sleeping uninterrupted for seven or eight hours a night. This is something she has not done in close to two decades!

    Is this a placebo effect in action? In this case I’m doubtful. It seems difficult to ascribe the elimination of her overnight pain to a belief that the pain will go away. For one thing, she was naturally skeptical of the whole affair – many verified treatments have failed for her, and she didn’t expect anything more from this unverified treatment. Also, I would think it difficult to stop deep muscle pain from waking you up during the night because you believed the pain would go away – you can’t believe something when your unconscious.

    I’m not at all committed to one side of the argument or another at this point, but if had to make a wager I’d put my money on there being a distinct, verifiable, benefit to using certain Binaraul Beats to aid in certain activities.

    • Rob Collins

      It’s brilliant that your girlfriend’s mom has found something that really works for her.

      I agree that the effects may not be totally down to expectation. It seems likely that there’s something else going on – perhaps it’s related to the act of listening itself. It’s a bit like with homeopathy – part of the beneficial effect may be down to the calming environment of the homeopath’s's office, or the fact that someone is willing to listen to the person’s problems, and so on.

      What I disagree with is proposing a mechanism of action that is based on pseudo-science and/or flawed evidence.

      Some people say, “if it works, who cares how”, but I believe it really matters that we understand how these things work. For example, if you charge a fortune for homeopathy when people could get the same benefits cheaper or free, it could be seen as unethical.

      I’m running out of steam now! I hope this makes sense!

    • Barry

      I’m also really pleased for your girlfriend’s Mum – that sounds like a horrible condition.

      In the context of this discussion, whilst it may not be the placebo effect, there is also the issue of assumed causality to consider. Your girlfriend’s Mum may believe that the use of binaural beats has eased her condition, but, scientifically speaking, it could conceivably also have been caused by many other factors in her life.

      These are the kinds of problems that come up whenever something is promoted through scientific ‘evidence’. Carl says there’s scientific proof, Adam says it’s pseudo-science used to sell a product. Who to believe?

      This kind of anecdote looks like additional ‘proof’ for the usefulness of binaural beats, but could also just be an example of assumed causality distorting what’s actually going on.

      Please don’t think I am disrespecting your girlfriend’s Mum or belittling her relief from a painful condition, I’m merely pointing out the difficulties involved in establishing cause and effect in situations like these and the potential repercussion in a discussion like the one going on here in the comments.

    • Thanks a lot for that Rob, very interesting stuff.

  • Barry

    Sorry if I’ve pissed you off here Tim but the point wasn’t to guilt-trip you, or even to suggest that you were advocating anything.

    It was just this. How many clients do you see who have bookshelves full of self-improvement manuals and audio-books?

    How many people have you come across who buy and read these things, but don’t put the principles into action?

    I wasn’t suggesting that you were advocating belief over action, what I was pointing out was it’s much easier for us to buy more stuff than it is to get our heads out of our arses and do the things that will move us towards where we want to be.

    Of course it’s good to be open-minded to new ideas and if binaural beats can do seemingly miraculous things like raise your IQ by 20-odd points, raise your self-esteem, reduce your anxiety and raise the quality of your life just by listening to an mp3 of them every day then whoopee and I got to get me some o’ those.

    On the other hand, and the point I was making, was that some of the purported benefits described above are things that a lot of people who come to coaching and self-development are looking for and therefore it’s reasonable to look at it from all sides – and that’s why I’m glad you didn’t delete Adam’s comment.

    Tim, one of the things I’ve always liked about you and your blog is that you’ve provided a voice of reason, sanity and optimistic realism in a field full of hyperbole and bullshit and I was simply surprised on this occasion that censoring criticism of the guest-post even crossed your mind.

    Still, thinking about stuff isn’t a crime just yet – and that even includes voting Tory. ;-)

    • I’m, not pissed off. Ok maybe I was a teent weeny bit to begin with ;-)

      “It was just this. How many clients do you see who have bookshelves full of self-improvement manuals and audio-books?

      How many people have you come across who buy and read these things, but don’t put the principles into action”

      Not as many as you may imagine, but I guess that is because the people that call me are people that do take action.

      OTOH, there are undoubtedly a lot of people out there that do fit that bill as I did at one time.

      I have to be honest and say I do NOT believe the IQ thing at all.

      I get really frustrated by NLP newbies (and even some established practitioners that should know better) that want to claim its the cure for all mans ills, because it ends up undermining everything and taring everybody with the same brush.

      I’m open about Binaurals. Do I know they work? No. Do I know they don’t? No. Do I think it’s possible that there’s something going on here that we don’t understand….yet? Sure it’s possible.

  • I would just add one final thing, before I politely make my excuses and depart from this thread… Regardless of any anecdotal evidence for or against binaural beats, the truth remains that the human brain cannot be ‘entrained’ by sounds to affect the brainwave activity of it. Fact.

    The popular claim made in most places online and by Carls website, is that the perceived low-frequency beat of the binaural beats entrain your brain wave pattern, which results in you experiencing a different state.

    To put it in basic terms, what most of the proponents and sellers say is that the theory of entrainment means that when you listen to binaural beats, they cause your brain’s neurons to fire, creating electrical activity that then matches the pattern of the phantom beat.

    They summise that – your brainwave activity is XYZ, therefore, if you listen to the binaural beats at that same level, your brainwaves induce that experience for you.

    Sadly, this is nonsense. How I wish it were not.

    Such claims presume that we know the exact frequency of the electric brainwaves (electroencephalogram, EEG) required for each unique individual in each of these desired conditions.

    Fact: Brain waves don’t work that way.

    It is incorrect and wrong to suggest that some sort of brain condition occurs if we get your EEG to read exactly XYZ Hz.

    In fact, it actually works the other way around. It is the brain state that produces a level of brain waves; brain waves don’t produce brain states. Put simply, you can’t just listen to sounds that somehow turn a dial to a number of Hz in your brain and induce instant hypnosis!

    It would seem that the attempts made by these purveyors of binaural beats to offer up a scientific explanation is flawed, that does not necessarily mean binaural beats don’t create some responses within some people. I have had many subjective, anecdotal success stories fed back to me over the years advocating the use of binaural beats, and we have read some here on this thread.

    I am not going to argue with any anecdotal support given by anyone here. I just want to say that the explanation for the way binaural beats works given by most of these sites is wrong.

    Thank God they are not claiming to cure cancer. It would then be a real problem if people relied on them accordingly.

    Tim, good discussion, I’m off mate, A.

    • We can definitely agree on this.

      Stating something as a fact that has been proven beyond a shred of serious scientific doubt to be untrue, is out of order and highly unethical.

      Saying:

      “Hey we think this shit works, because it does for us but we have no idea why or how. So maybe you want to try it for yourself and see how you get on”

      Is cool.

      BTW, LoA advocates have claimed it can cure cancer and that is frightening.

  • I know sound can be a very powerful medium for treatments as well as spirtual. To be honest, I’ve never heard of these Binaural beats. But I think I’ll check this out more.

    Great summary which has clearly sparked a lot of interest.

    I look forward to hearing how things go!

    • Thanks a lot and I will respond. However, if the results are inconclusive or non-existent, I may add it as an addendum to a blog post.

      I see no value in a post that says “Guess what doesn’t work?”

  • Rob Collins

    FOR THE ATTENTION OF ANYONE TRIALLING BINAURAL BEATS!

    Moving on, I have some questions I’d like to ask to those people who are trialling Binaural Beats (I hope this is OK, Tim?). I’m not trying to provoke a fight, I’m just genuinely interested in finding out about people’s experiences. Your answers could help lots of other people to make up their minds!

    1) When you’re listening to Binaural Beats, can you hear anything at all?

    2) During listening, have you been going to a quiet room, sitting down and relaxing? Or do you just have it playing in the background while you do something else entirely?

    3) How often do you use BB? And how many days have you been using BB?

    4) How are you measuring if you’re experiencing any beneficial effects? Are you simply seeing how you feel after each session? Are you keeping some kind of log/diary each day? Are you rating yourself out of 10 for happiness, relaxation, creativity etc?

    5) Have you ever done any daily meditation before? If so, how do the effects of BB compare to the effects of meditating?

    6) Do you personally believe that the sound waves in Binaural Beats are giving you positive effects? Or do you believe it’s simply down to relaxing and being quiet for 20-30 minutes? Or do you not really know or care how it works, you just like the results!?!

    7) Would you recommend that other people buy BB?

    • No probs at all and here are my answers from my limited experience of, er….2 days ;-)

      1. Yes, waves, church bells, babbling brook etc (not at the same time!0

      2. Lying down and chilling

      3. Once per day and I’m on day 3

      4. Very loosely, how do I feel type of questions.

      5. Yes and too soon to tell.

      6. Dunno

      7. Hmmmmmmm. Not really sure, to me it would depend on the person. I wouldn’t recommend Adam buy them! :-)

  • Tim,
    I think binaural beats are really cool. However, they are not life changing and anyone can create your own very easily. It is simply directing two frequencies of tones into headphones (you have to use headphones or it will not work)so (theoretically)a resonance frequency will be set up between (in other words, in your head). What results is the “frequency” you want your brain waves to reflect (alpha 8–12 Hz, beta 13 Hz, delta 3 Hz,theta 4–7 Hz)simply put, you put a tone of say, 24 hertz into one ear and perhaps 12 hertz in the other ear (creating a 12 hz resonance- theoretically putting you into a alpha brain wave state-which is a meditative state). I actually heard about this in the 1980s. I used a commodore 64 (one of the first home computers) to create the frequencies- recorded then and made my own “trance inducer.” it is actually quite easy to do now days, there are tone generators you can purchase for your computer- i believe there is even a few that are free. There are several Iphone aps that are free as well. Fun to play with- but not life changing. like anything else, it can be useful and fun, but i wouldn’t spend a fortune on it. Actually, i think anyone who spends 20 minutes a day meditating in whatever way they choose will have much the same effects on mood, creativity, etc. I sometimes make hypnosis tapes for people and put a down regulating tone as the trance induction proceeds. nice addition, but there is no magic man- put in the work to grow and change- that is the reality.

    • Cool stuff Leif, although I have to say I don’t really think they are magic or that it is anything other than very interesting.

      Good to see you here btw, how have you been?

  • I’ve been meditating using isochronic tones every day for about 18 months now. I don’t really know how much of an impact it makes. I guess it helps me relax, and manage my stomach pain much better. But I don’t know if it’s more powerful than just sitting down and meditating. And then, it all depends on what your mind is focusing on while you’re meditating. Many times I get off track, and my mind just wanders. Some days, I am really focused. So it’s not just whether you relax and listen to the binaural beats. It’s HOW you listen to them. Actively or passively.

    I would really like to say that my meditation has kept me out of the hospital, but that may be all of the medications that I’m taking, hahaha.

    Whatever may be the case, I appreciate this guest post. It has changed my mindset about meditation in general, whether using binaural beats or not. It’s obvious that Carl is a heck of a salesman, and he enthusiastically believes in the positive effects of binaural beats. That’s why this post has sparked so much controversy.

    If it seems to work for you, forget the scientific evidence! Tim always says “There is no how it is, only how it is for you”, and the quote definitely applies. Just try it out, and if you like it, stick with it.

  • This is spooky!

    I just went to do my binaural beats session as promised and fell asleep.

    When I jolted awake I was listening to this really creepy English dude.

    Then I realized I’d dropped the binaural beats into a folder on my iPhone with all my meditation and hypnosis tracks and it had ended and gone into the next one.

    Guess who I was listening to and I swear to God (or the scientist of your choice) this is true.

    It was Adam Frickin Eason! – LMAO!

    Your not creepy really mate ;-)

  • Wow.

    What a bloody response! After an amazing 1st day in Thailand touring buddhist temples, meditating, and having an amazing 2 hour massage (NO HAPPY ENDING, I promise!!!)…

    … I log on & see 90 bloody comments. Wow. What a polarisation. And I’ll be honest… I’m VERY happy to have caused such a debate!

    OK, I’ve got about 5 minutes internet access from this pokey coffee shop, so I’ll try & answer a few key points, in no particular order:

    1) As Tim mentioned above, I was TOTALLY sceptical BEFORE I used binaural beats for the first time. I studied law at university and I’m not the “hippy” type. Well, I wasn’t then. All the incredible effects I experienced happened AFTER an initial period of sceptioism. I did a lot of research BEFORE I used them, and I applied a “legal mind” to what I was reading… In short, the evidence appeared too strong to ignore.

    2) OK, for questions re: different brainwaves….. Alpha is like napping, that’s good for accessing subconscious mind. Theta is the same brain activity as REM sleep (dreaming), which is good for creativity…. Delta is the same as deep, dreamless sleep, which is good for transcendental meditation. You can buy binaurals specifically designed to take you into each brainwave pattern, but if you think too much when you use them, it’s easy to override the effects. Basically you have to really let go. But, as a general rule of thumb, I use alpha for “belief change”, theta for ideas, and delta for hippy buddhisty trippy out-of-body meditations.

    3) A few comments that “I’m a good salesman”…Yep, that was my previous career, and I make no apology for endorsing something which has changed my life. In fact, I genuinely believe I’d be doing you all a disservice if I wasn’t so “loud” with my endorsements. PLEASE feel free to google the companies I speak of (i.e. don’t click on the affiliate links so I don’t get paid!), try them out (ALL have 30-60 money back guarantee) — TRY THEM and see! Genuinely, it’s nice to get paid for recommending something you love, but that’s not my motivation. 90 COMMENTS AND DOZENS OF NEW PEOPLE TRYING THEM OUT IS MY MOTIVATION! WOOHOO!

    4) Adam — I like you, I’ve read your book, and… er… hypnosis ain’t exactly scientifically proven, is it?! :) I’ll answer you in more detail when I get a chance, but basically I’m not a bullshitter, I’m intelligent, sceptical, and these are the results I’ve got. Plus, the research does suggest that it’s pretty easy to influence the brainwaves. Try them and you’ll see! And do some research mate because it goes back about 20 years, there’s tonnes of it. Your arguments strike me as almost religious in their ferocity. Again, I really like your stuff, but mate I can’t believe you’ve ever given them a fair go. Sure, if you listen whilst affirming “this is rubbish…. pseudo science… only hypnosis works… hypnosis is the best….” they WON’T WORK! Because thinking induces more beta brainwaves. But perhaps give them a go again? I’m sure you don’t like people who rubbish hypnosis… and have plenty of “pseudo science” to back it up?!

    Incidentally, even Derren Brown thinks that hypnosis is largely placebo effect. Food for thought. But if binaurals are placebo, I’m happy to keep enjoying the benefits!

    5) Josh and others… yeah, glad you’re getting awesome results too. For me, it’s mainly stress relief / well-being…Glad so many of you are already feelin the love! Keep playing with them, and try setting different intentions for each session. Visualization is VERY powerful with binaurals too!

    6) All the rest of you… I’d invite you to give them a try, for free. Give them a week before making your mind up / getting your money back. Seriously, I’ve got everyone from alpha males to my granddad raving about the benefits.

    7) Tim – cheers for the opportunity & thanks for fending off so many interesting comments. I’ll get back online within a day or 2…

    8) To all of you who commented… seriously, you’ve made my day… YOU are the happy ending to my massage!! hehehe….

    9) GO ON TRY THEM LIKE TIM IS!!!!! x

    • @Carl, Good to hear from you.

      Ok, down to business here then… Firstly, constantly referring to hypnosis because it is my subject is a total non-sequitir way to debate the subject of binarual beats. We are not discussing hypnosis or its validity.

      (Though incidentally, my mentor and the man who has published more research in the field of clinical hypnosis than any other, Professor Irving Kirsch, calls hypnosis a “non-deceptive mega placebo.” I tend to think the same.

      For the record, if you visit the International Journal of Experimental and Clinical Hypnosis website or simply go to PubMed, you will see that the body of evidence and peer reviewed research supporting the efficacy of hypnosis is vast. There are hundreds of thousands of articles published throughout the journals of medical, psychological, psychiatric, neurological and behavioural sciences. It has one of the largest bodies of science supporting it in any field of psychotherapy, probably only second to cognitive behavioural therapy. Hypnosis has also had masses of measured EEG investigation and I am happy to say that as of today, contrary to your statement, it is scientifically proven.)

      Carl, stating whether we like each other or not is nothing to do with my own points made here. I have made no ad hominem attacks or inferences about who or how you are, and I certainly would never call you any of the things you have mentioned here.

      My best friend is a specialist psychiatrist, having done 7 years of medicine at University, then 2 further years of neurology specialism. He had to study the brain. I have other friends who are neurologists. If anyone asks about the basic functioning of the brain to anyone qualified to answer, they’ll tell you that the entrainment theory referred to in many binarual beats websites is not possible.

      You have made a number of large mistaken assumptions here with me. You have assumed that I have not listened to these recordings – I have. In depth, over prolonged periods of time. I used them with a greatly optimistic and open mindset. Yet you assume that I must have been adopting some ridiculous internal mantra, which again is a non-sequitir way to debate and deflect from the matter at hand.

      You also assume that I have not looked at the research, when I actually refer to some in my own article that I have linked to here. The articles I found that were triple blind studies and peer reviewed by credible journals were few and far between. However, I recommend these to anyone interested in further researching the efficacy of binarual beats:

      Carter, C. “Healthcare performance and the effects of the binaural beats on human blood pressure and heart rate.” Journal of Hospital Marketing and Public Relations. 1 Aug. 2008, Volume 18, Number 2: 213-219.

      Karino, S., Yumoto, M., Itoh, K., Uno, A., Yamakawa, K., Sekimoto, S., Kaga, K. “Neuromagnetic responses to binaural beat in human cerebral cortex.” Journal of Neurophysiology. 21 Jun. 2006, Volume 96, Number 4: 1927-38.

      Padmanabhan, R., Hildreth, A.J., Laws, D. “A prospective, randomised, controlled study examining binaural beat audio and pre-operative anxiety in patients undergoing general anaesthesia for day case surgery.” Anaesthesia. 7 Jul. 2005, Volume 60, Number 9: 874-877.

      Pratt H., Starr A., Michalewski H.J., Dimitrijevic A., Bleich N., Mittelman N. “Cortical evoked potentials to an auditory illusion: Binaural beats.” Clinical Neurophysiology. 1 Aug. 2009, 120, 8: 1514-1524.

      Schwarz, D.W., Taylor, P. “Human auditory steady state responses to binaural and monaural beats.” Clinical Neurophysiology. 1 Mar. 2005, Volume 113, Number 3: 658-668.

      Derren Brown is a member of the same sceptic societies I am, we share a number of the same thoughts on hypnosis and placebo effect though again, your comment strikes me as a way of trying to support your own argument by somehow belittling my field, we are not discussing hypnosis here.

      As I have written, I think elements of suggestion, autosuggestion, association, expectancy and placebo combine to deliver the results that people have reported. I have no issue with binaural beats, people can go ahead and use them, they certainly are not harming anyone. But I could gain the same benefits from listening to other kinds of music that I find more enjoyable in my opinion and experience. I have to say though, if kids prefer to listen to i-doser tracks instead of taking recreational drugs, then bravo, encore!

      I’ll repeat my hypothetical challenge – if someone were given a binaural beats audio programme that was aimed to help them stop smoking, but were told that it was to help them lose weight – what results do you think they would cite? Do you think they’d stop smoking?

      The brain responds to beats, no question, it has associations and expectations related to the beats, but if it is as simple as just playing certain frequency and that creates a level of brainwave activity that equates to a particular state, then surely mad dictators would have binaural beats weapons at the ready to wield and turn the world into cooing minions.

      I tried to opt out of this discussion yesterday, and don’t want to start sounding like Rik from the Young Ones by saying “no, I’m really going now, I’m going to do it…” so I’ll bid you all adieu and will no doubt raise my head when something else piques my interest that Tim serves up. I have made my points and think it tiresome if someone keeps repeating the same things over and over, so I shall not add anything further.

      Carl, this is nothing personal, please don’t take it that way. The world would be utterly dull if we all agreed on everything all the time… Your conviction to the cause and passionate belief is a delight to see and as a result, at times, I have even waivered and become moderately more flexible in my stance!

      Best wishes with it, Adam.

  • ps – Just saw Rob’s amazing comments about mother in laws best sleep for 20 years. Very inspiring and I’m thrilled for her…

    If it IS placebo, which i don’t think it is, does it really matter if it gets results like that?????!!!!

  • May I say, now that the furor has somewhat died, how IMPRESSED I am at how nicely everyone played together! REally, that was more fascinating than the conversation itself. Thank you! Really, I had about given up, because there’s always some asshat who hijacks the conversation and ruins it for everyone. I saw apologies, pardon mes, I misspokes. It was lovely. Handshakes, all around!

  • Rob Collins

    If it’s a choice between a placebo treatment that delivers real tangible benefits for people, or doing nothing, I’d go for the placebo every time.

    We definitely should not be too quick dismiss the power of suggestion (placebo). It delivers real benefits for certain conditions, particularly those that are pain-related or where self-assessment is important.

    If hypnosis eases your depression, I would NEVER tell someone to stop hypnosis, just because it’s “only” the placebo effect.

    Personally, I get very excited about understanding exactly HOW treatments work. The better our understanding of the processes at work, the more likely it is that we can make existing techniques EVEN BETTER!

    One of the best ways to understand how something works is to do lots of controlled experiments where you carefully change certain parts of the process, one “variable” at a time, in order to see if you get different results.

    For example, how exciting would it be if you discovered that Binaural Beats worked 50% better if you did them for 30 minutes instead of 20.

    Or if you used them standing up instead of lying down.

    Or if you had the volume twice as loud.

    Or that listening to sea shore sounds was twice as effective at reducing stress as listening to the church bell sounds.

    Just think for a second – We don’t need weird old men in white coats to do these experiments for us. If everyone that reads Tim’s blog worked together, we could so it ourselves! Imagine how fantastic it would be if YOU helped to reduce the pain and suffering experienced by people like Rob’s girlfriend’s mom.

    Performing these kinds of tests is all that I mean when I’m referring to science. This is known as “the scientific method”. You have an idea about how a process might be improved, then you think of a way to test your idea, then you measure the results. In the end, hopefully you end up IMPROVING LIVES!

    It’s this curiosity about how to make people’s lives better that is at the core of a large part of real science, and I believe that it’s what drives most scientists.

    If you don’t experiment, then how do you improve things? Do you just carry on doing everything the same way you’ve always done it? If so, we’d all still be living in caves and most of us would die before we reach 40!

    Hopefully I’m successfully communicating why I get so frustrated when people say that science is rubbish! Science isn’t perfect and it’s always looking for ways to improve itself, but it’s currently one of the best ways that we currently have of improving our lives.

    In this sense, science a little bit like capitalism… it’s far from perfect, but it’s still been the most successful economic model EVER for improving the health and wealth of ordinary people like you and me.

    Hopefully this impassioned plea will start to win over some of you that dislike science so much!

  • Rob Collins

    Adam, I like you a lot. Can we be friends?!

  • I’m extremely skeptical…but very curious. I will report back after giving it a go.

  • Annabel

    I have no idea whether Binaural Beats work as a placebo of not. In fact I don’t care because ever since I discovered a free Binaural Beats iPhone App (yes TIm I’m an app junkie too) I’ve been using them too to help me concentrate when I’m working from home.

    They stop me getting distracted, and now seem to act as some kind of focus anchor.

    As soon as I switch them on – I slip into my ‘work’ frame of mind instead of my ‘ I-wonder-if-I-should-refresh-my-Facebook-page-or-make-another -up-of- tea’ mode.

    The reason I found of of them too wasn’t through an quest for self-improvement at the time either. It was because of the film Inception (stay with me).

    My friend suggested that the Inception sound track reminded her of Binaural Beats and she wondered if the composer (Hans Zimmer FyI) had used that as his inspiration for hypnotic stretched out beats. (BTW we still don’t know the answer)

    After she had explained to me what they were, I was fascinated to find out more simply because I loved the film and the music.

    I found out that they helped concentration so gave them a whirl and I like them. I just put them on while I’m working. It could be that they are just helping my brain to tune out the frequencies of my pesky and very annoying dripping tap* which in itself is amazing. Either way I don’t really care. I just find them a useful work tool.

    I just wish they could jump in the car to B&Q to buy some new tap washers too.

    * PS I don’t work for the Binaural Beat IPhone app or Inception (in case anyone was wondering)

    • Well that definitely is a very cool way to use them, as an auditory anchor!

      I’m on about day 6 and not seeing any noticeable changes yet, but we’ll see.

      Inception is my favorite movie of the last couple of years. just awesome.

    • Rob Collins

      @Annabel, you’ve swayed me into trying BB now, I’m intrigued! Distraction is the bane of my working life.

      @Tim, Inception’s my favourite film of all time. The theme of the power of thought is particularly apt for life coaching too.

      • Annabel

        Thanks for your nice comments Tim & Rob.

        @Rob you should give the Pomodoro technique a ago. Basically you set a ticking timer for 25 mins and you have to work completely undistracted till it pings. If you lose focus you have to start again. The aim is to try and do an many pomodoros a day (so it’s like a game.) The timer you use is meant to have ticking sound because it helps you get in the zone. This is where I got the idea of using BB to help me work. Basically I’m using the BBs instead of the ticking sound as it’s easier to ‘lock myself’ in. It’s helped me massively with my concentration.

        A computer programmer friend of mine suggested the technique to me; as apparently it’s popular among geeks ( and I love geeks so I say ‘geek’ in a fond way)

        BTW there are plenty of Pomodoro timer apps for phones.

        @Tim & Rob agree on the Inception. Incredible film.

  • WOW! What a debate. Good thing I spend yesterday in the library researching this and similar topics, so I have at least a few journal articles under my belt before I try to respond.

    From what I have seen in the literature, while some of the research shows effects, much of it is not published in the most reputable of journals.

    The most positive effects I found were reported in anesthesia studies, but other research seem to show little to no effect as it has been mentioned above.

    You could take one side and say that means beats and other tools don’t work. What I think it means is that there is a need for more research, not a call to say that there is a definite effect or no effect at all.

    Personally, I use beats and tones that I or others have created almost everyday. I also use light and sound stimulation and hypnosis.

    In my personal experience, they work. Comparing just laying there meditating or using a hypnotic induction, adding beats to a meditation session or hypnotic induction have personally had a positive impact on my sessions.

    While you might be able to point to a few journal articles that show no benefits. I would point out that there are so few articles compared to other fields of research. That indicates to me, that much more research needs to be done before you throw down your gauntlet and condemn the use of something many people have found useful.

    • Barry

      Well Chris, I don’t think anybody was ‘throwing down the gauntlet and condemning’ anything. Some of us had issues with the scientific claims made in the original post and the way that the poster was saying use of these beats are scientifically proven – clearly your research shows they are not.

      Even Adam, who was most critical of the scientific explanations offered in the post, did not say they don’t work. What he said was, the brain does not function in the way that the scientific claims made in the post suggest. That is very different from condemning the use of binaural beats.

      More studies may need to be done, and those who have reservations about the scientific claims made in the post will gladly acknowledge the results of tests conducted under proper experimental conditions with the appropriate controls.

      I’m very glad you find binaural beats useful and thoroughly respect your opinion. Yet whilst I do not need to understand how everything works scientifically to acknowledge that is does, I am extremely unlikely to pay money to try out something that is being sold to me with what appears to be dubious or unsupported scientific claims.

      • Again, nicely (and calmly) put, Barry.

      • Rob Collins

        “Yet whilst I do not need to understand how everything works scientifically to acknowledge that is does, I am extremely unlikely to pay money to try out something that is being sold to me with what appears to be dubious or unsupported scientific claims.”

        Nail -> Head

        Nice one, Barry! From a marketing perspective, I think BB would have increased appeal if no attempt was made to explain how they work. As soon as (most) people find a couple of claims that sound a bit suspect, their trust in the product goes sharply downhill.

        I tested the (free) Binaural Beats iPhone app as I went to sleep last night. By the end of the 20 minutes, I found the dual tones to be fairly annoying, I’d have much rather just listened to the seagulls as I found them to be reasonably calming. Still, I’ll keep trying them and see how I get on.

        • Barry

          I agree. Not being familiar with Binaural beats before, I would definitely have been more open to the concept without the scientific ‘evidence’ presented in the post.

      • Barry,

        I understand your point and I was not implying that anyone in the comments was, ‘throwing down the gauntlet and condemning.’

        The point I was trying to make was that many times skeptics and believers alike will use one or two published journal articles to support their belief in the efficacy or placebo effect of a chemical, treatment, or other technology. While I think the commenters had many valid points, my research points to a need for more research before delving too deeply into the debate on whether binaurals work or not.

        Since I am of a scientific mindset, I know how many people with a similar mindset can be turned off by anything “new age” if someone points to some research that could show that there is no benefit. That is why I gave my personal history and opinion of binaurals and the current state of research as I see it, so that others could maybe be persuaded to give them a try after such a long debate in the comments on the research, usefulness, and tone of the post.

        So if someone doesn’t want to spend money on them, great! You don’t have to; because a Google search will provide people with plenty of tutorials on how to create their own if they don’t want to spend money on ones that others have created.

  • Well I think it sounds interesting, so I may give it a go. I was all for it until I read the sceptic’s comment though…

    And can we drop this “Science vs Experience” crap? It’s really Reason vs Superstition, using your brain vs using animal entrails to make your decisions for you. Science literally means “Knowledge”, OK?

    PS: some of these evil ‘Scientists’ invented & created the Internet. If you don’t like ‘Science’ what the hell are you doing here? Go back to pen & paper. Oh hang on, ink, papyrus – scientific discoveries, so,um… no – I’m out. Sit in a cave & read animal entrails I guess ;)

  • Bryant

    Listening to sound waves isn’t bad, just like listening to other music, just remember to put your trust in the Lord Jesus for your healing and other needs. There isn’t a replacement for him. If you feel that the Lord has led you to get relief this way then maybe so, God works in mysterious ways, just let God of Glory be your trust in all things.

    • Rob

      I assume you’re joking, Bryant.

      • You should check out Jeff Jeffries mate, he does a great joke about God being mysterious. He’s probably by favorite comedian still drawing breath.

        I think now might be a good time to end my experiment of allowing people to comment on old blog posts.

        I’m getting spammed to death on some of the really old ones.

        PS Sent you the link