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		<title>By: Tim Brownson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Brownson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Vijay - I wasn&#039;t necessarily talking about enlightenment as it is traditionally seen in some eastern cultures and religions. It was much more basic than that. I guess a more accurate title would have been &quot;Is this a form of enlightenment&quot; Thanks for your points though, interesting stuff!

@ Ned - That same as what happens when we don&#039;t live up to any value, we feel a certain sense of unease. And just because most people don&#039;t do something doesn&#039;t imho mean it&#039;s not worth striving for. Not that I think you mean that, but it kind of reads that way to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Vijay &#8211; I wasn&#8217;t necessarily talking about enlightenment as it is traditionally seen in some eastern cultures and religions. It was much more basic than that. I guess a more accurate title would have been &#8220;Is this a form of enlightenment&#8221; Thanks for your points though, interesting stuff!</p>
<p>@ Ned &#8211; That same as what happens when we don&#8217;t live up to any value, we feel a certain sense of unease. And just because most people don&#8217;t do something doesn&#8217;t imho mean it&#8217;s not worth striving for. Not that I think you mean that, but it kind of reads that way to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Ned</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think the value of inner peace in itself is bad. But if that is what we all value the most, what happens when we don&#039;t live up to it?

My job has reached proportions of stress never previously seen before. It is being done intentionally. The owners hope that people will quit or get fired so they don&#039;t have to pay unemployment. Last night, I just snapped. I was angry, no two ways about it.

I would certainly like to handle all situations with perfect peace and calm. But I don&#039;t and no one else does either. And I have a tendency (like most people also) to beat myself up when I lose my cool. That just extends my lack of peace.

A friend of mine reminded me that we decide what things mean. We are &quot;meaning makers&quot;. What I think something means determines it&#039;s value to me. It also determines my emotional state. So if we are going for a &quot;meta-value&quot;, I would say it would be the power to create meaning.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Neds last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://churchofned.com/?p=284&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Warrior of the Light&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think the value of inner peace in itself is bad. But if that is what we all value the most, what happens when we don&#8217;t live up to it?</p>
<p>My job has reached proportions of stress never previously seen before. It is being done intentionally. The owners hope that people will quit or get fired so they don&#8217;t have to pay unemployment. Last night, I just snapped. I was angry, no two ways about it.</p>
<p>I would certainly like to handle all situations with perfect peace and calm. But I don&#8217;t and no one else does either. And I have a tendency (like most people also) to beat myself up when I lose my cool. That just extends my lack of peace.</p>
<p>A friend of mine reminded me that we decide what things mean. We are &#8220;meaning makers&#8221;. What I think something means determines it&#8217;s value to me. It also determines my emotional state. So if we are going for a &#8220;meta-value&#8221;, I would say it would be the power to create meaning.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Neds last blog post..<a href="http://churchofned.com/?p=284" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/churchofned.com');">Warrior of the Light</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Vijay Kumar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vijay Kumar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 12:45:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Enlightenment is not solely about the peace of mind alone. Enlightenment means our soul atman that has manifested the human form to work out its karma (remove the dross impurities within) has reached the climax... the cosmic end of life!

&lt;a href=&#039;http://www.godrealized.com/enlightenment.html&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Enlightenment&lt;/a&gt; is never gained by a human being. The garb of a human being is simply worn by the soul atman within to work out its karma... regain its original prime pristine pure form! The moment human beings reached the stage of enlightenment... the need for the soul atman to manifest a body further ceases to exist.

The soul atman finally liberates itself from the cycle of birth and death forever! Enlightenment is also not a state of mind. It is a permanent state of life for our soul atman within. Enlightenment is not that easily gained. In the last about 150 years... only sri Ramakrishna Paramhansa and Maharishi Ramana gained enlightenment amongst 6500 million people existing on Mother Earth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enlightenment is not solely about the peace of mind alone. Enlightenment means our soul atman that has manifested the human form to work out its karma (remove the dross impurities within) has reached the climax&#8230; the cosmic end of life!</p>
<p><a href='http://www.godrealized.com/enlightenment.html' rel="nofollow">Enlightenment</a> is never gained by a human being. The garb of a human being is simply worn by the soul atman within to work out its karma&#8230; regain its original prime pristine pure form! The moment human beings reached the stage of enlightenment&#8230; the need for the soul atman to manifest a body further ceases to exist.</p>
<p>The soul atman finally liberates itself from the cycle of birth and death forever! Enlightenment is also not a state of mind. It is a permanent state of life for our soul atman within. Enlightenment is not that easily gained. In the last about 150 years&#8230; only sri Ramakrishna Paramhansa and Maharishi Ramana gained enlightenment amongst 6500 million people existing on Mother Earth.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 03:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess acceptance of what is is enlightenment (though somehow this is an acceptance that embraces compassion rather than indifference - the enlightened are not psychopaths).

For my base value I nominate life/creativity/joy.  In some ways this is not rationally defensibe (we reason on the basis of our values in some ways).  Put another way: Why do I think life is (usually) preferable to death?  Because I&#039;m not an idiot.  Seeing what is is quite different to arguing about it or on this basis (though logic and argument are very important I think - part of our social nature as human beings).

Acceptance of myself (even the parts that I dislike and fight amongst themselves) is the way to change in my experience.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Evans last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Wellbeingandhealthnet/~3/3MCWnboUy2M/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;One Hundred Years - and counting&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess acceptance of what is is enlightenment (though somehow this is an acceptance that embraces compassion rather than indifference &#8211; the enlightened are not psychopaths).</p>
<p>For my base value I nominate life/creativity/joy.  In some ways this is not rationally defensibe (we reason on the basis of our values in some ways).  Put another way: Why do I think life is (usually) preferable to death?  Because I&#8217;m not an idiot.  Seeing what is is quite different to arguing about it or on this basis (though logic and argument are very important I think &#8211; part of our social nature as human beings).</p>
<p>Acceptance of myself (even the parts that I dislike and fight amongst themselves) is the way to change in my experience.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Evans last blog post..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Wellbeingandhealthnet/~3/3MCWnboUy2M/" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/feedproxy.google.com');">One Hundred Years &#8211; and counting</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Sharon Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sharon Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 01:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post. We do need to know ourselves to be at peace.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Sharon Wilsons last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/CoachingFromSpiritChallenge/~3/NNomwDFb9i8/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Have You Heard About This Incredible Message From the Healing Codes?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post. We do need to know ourselves to be at peace.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Sharon Wilsons last blog post..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/CoachingFromSpiritChallenge/~3/NNomwDFb9i8/" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/feedproxy.google.com');">Have You Heard About This Incredible Message From the Healing Codes?</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Tim Brownson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Brownson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 01:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Mike - It certainly has been boisterous, but in a really good way. Some blogs descend into abuse and I&#039;m proud to say that has never happened here and I have never deleted a post because of a personal attack.

@ Cath - LMAO - There&#039;s an idea, banging the truth up on YouTube. Of course Buddhists believe the truth cannot be seen or described so that makes it a tad tricky if you believe that theory ;-)

@ Hilary - Wow, I&#039;m not sure it&#039;s really that easy. It&#039;s the thing that I find is absent with most people I know, maybe all the people I know. It&#039;s also something that people strive all their life to achieve. (insert Zen Master story of your choice here).

BTW, I really like this on your site:

&lt;strong&gt;&quot;The only thing I know is real is that I Am. I Know I Am. I think You probably Are too, but that may be a moot point.&quot;&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Mike &#8211; It certainly has been boisterous, but in a really good way. Some blogs descend into abuse and I&#8217;m proud to say that has never happened here and I have never deleted a post because of a personal attack.</p>
<p>@ Cath &#8211; LMAO &#8211; There&#8217;s an idea, banging the truth up on YouTube. Of course Buddhists believe the truth cannot be seen or described so that makes it a tad tricky if you believe that theory ;-)</p>
<p>@ Hilary &#8211; Wow, I&#8217;m not sure it&#8217;s really that easy. It&#8217;s the thing that I find is absent with most people I know, maybe all the people I know. It&#8217;s also something that people strive all their life to achieve. (insert Zen Master story of your choice here).</p>
<p>BTW, I really like this on your site:</p>
<p><strong>&#8220;The only thing I know is real is that I Am. I Know I Am. I think You probably Are too, but that may be a moot point.&#8221;</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Hilary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hilary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 00:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A state of peace is easy, we can all have it right now: make like flywire and let stuff flow through - anything you react to, anything you try to resist. Or, as I like to say: don&#039;t clench. And a state of peace is not something I would consider it necessary to strive for. You can achieve it in any given moment, you just might not have it as your default setting at the moment. And I like Joely Black&#039;s point about being okay with however you feel because we are inclined to think if we are at peace we should feel good.

Tim, I think I agree with you about peace being a fundamental, possibly universal, value, but it answers the how and perhaps tells us nothing about the what and the why. You&#039;ve got me thinking, but I&#039;m inclined to think there probably is a level at which there are universal answers to the other two as well.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Hilarys last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://pollity.wordpress.com/2009/02/16/circumventing-the-economic-crisis/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Circumventing the economic crisis&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A state of peace is easy, we can all have it right now: make like flywire and let stuff flow through &#8211; anything you react to, anything you try to resist. Or, as I like to say: don&#8217;t clench. And a state of peace is not something I would consider it necessary to strive for. You can achieve it in any given moment, you just might not have it as your default setting at the moment. And I like Joely Black&#8217;s point about being okay with however you feel because we are inclined to think if we are at peace we should feel good.</p>
<p>Tim, I think I agree with you about peace being a fundamental, possibly universal, value, but it answers the how and perhaps tells us nothing about the what and the why. You&#8217;ve got me thinking, but I&#8217;m inclined to think there probably is a level at which there are universal answers to the other two as well.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Hilarys last blog post..<a href="http://pollity.wordpress.com/2009/02/16/circumventing-the-economic-crisis/" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/pollity.wordpress.com');">Circumventing the economic crisis</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Cath Lawson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cath Lawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 23:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tim - I was kind of surprised that you wrote this post, after the God one.  I read Evelyn&#039;s one too &amp; I have to admit - I don&#039;t have a bloody clue what enlightenment is.  

I&#039;ve been reading about it and it seems like it&#039;s all different things to different people.

Since your God post, I&#039;ve read half the new testament and to be honest - my brain is more frazzled than it was before.  There&#039;s the God stuff, then all this 2012 business, some people are saying we can live forever and others say there&#039;s nothing but darkness after our physical death.

And it would be nice if someone could just video the truth and bang it on YouTube then we wouldn&#039;t have to wonder anymore.

I like your idea of permanent peace but I&#039;m betting it&#039;s not that easy to achieve.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Cath Lawsons last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://cathlawson.com/2009/03/03/dear-blogger-are-you-trying-to-sell-to-the-faithless/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dear Blogger - Are You Trying To Sell To The Faithless?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tim &#8211; I was kind of surprised that you wrote this post, after the God one.  I read Evelyn&#8217;s one too &amp; I have to admit &#8211; I don&#8217;t have a bloody clue what enlightenment is.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been reading about it and it seems like it&#8217;s all different things to different people.</p>
<p>Since your God post, I&#8217;ve read half the new testament and to be honest &#8211; my brain is more frazzled than it was before.  There&#8217;s the God stuff, then all this 2012 business, some people are saying we can live forever and others say there&#8217;s nothing but darkness after our physical death.</p>
<p>And it would be nice if someone could just video the truth and bang it on YouTube then we wouldn&#8217;t have to wonder anymore.</p>
<p>I like your idea of permanent peace but I&#8217;m betting it&#8217;s not that easy to achieve.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Cath Lawsons last blog post..<a href="http://cathlawson.com/2009/03/03/dear-blogger-are-you-trying-to-sell-to-the-faithless/" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/cathlawson.com');">Dear Blogger &#8211; Are You Trying To Sell To The Faithless?</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Michael Panebianco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Panebianco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 13:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim, 

The day we evaluated my values was a big turning point in my quest for personal enlightenment.  I had never really taken the time to balance what would bring me peace, vs. what I spent my time doing, or planning to do.  

It makes the decision making paradigm much easier when you have a value matrix to compare your options.  It changed the way I am doing business.  Good stuff.

Get back to the God topic.  I havent been able to get to the Coliseum for any good carnage lately.  Easier to get that here!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, </p>
<p>The day we evaluated my values was a big turning point in my quest for personal enlightenment.  I had never really taken the time to balance what would bring me peace, vs. what I spent my time doing, or planning to do.  </p>
<p>It makes the decision making paradigm much easier when you have a value matrix to compare your options.  It changed the way I am doing business.  Good stuff.</p>
<p>Get back to the God topic.  I havent been able to get to the Coliseum for any good carnage lately.  Easier to get that here!!</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Brownson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Brownson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 13:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Hunter - Actually &#039;Procrastination&#039; definitely is a value, an away from value! My books can have that effect on people. I must admit I didn&#039;t see any separation from Steve&#039;s principles and values, but maybe I have that wrong.

There&#039;s abug in the new Wordpress software that conflicts with Google analytics. I&#039;m kinda on the case but at least commentluv is working again!

@ Evelyn - I agree about contentedness, but I don&#039;t think that rules out happiness or sadness. Thich Nhat Hanh talks a lot about the sadness he felt when his mother died.

@ Derek - LOL, yeh it did kind of take on a life of its own! You&#039;re right of course, all this is subjective, but it&#039;s fun too.

@ Avani - I have to disagree (which is way cool because it opens things up). You cannot remain peaceful and worry about the goals you gave up. Ask yourself what your goals will give you. Then ask yourself what that will give you and then that. Keep doing this until you can go no further. Then and only then are you at the real core value. Se if it&#039;s peace? If not it will probably be something similar. As Duffy said maybe &#039;Wholeness&#039; or maybe even &#039;Love&#039; Try it out.

@ Chris - Thanks and then no thanks for putting that image in my head. Don&#039;t make me say anything about the Queen sat reading the paper on the toilet.

@ Tasmin - I agree. I don&#039;t think &lt;strong&gt; I &lt;/strong&gt;can achieve permanent peace of mind, but &lt;strong&gt;IF&lt;/strong&gt; I could, it would be the ultimate meta value, to me at least.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Hunter &#8211; Actually &#8216;Procrastination&#8217; definitely is a value, an away from value! My books can have that effect on people. I must admit I didn&#8217;t see any separation from Steve&#8217;s principles and values, but maybe I have that wrong.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s abug in the new Wordpress software that conflicts with Google analytics. I&#8217;m kinda on the case but at least commentluv is working again!</p>
<p>@ Evelyn &#8211; I agree about contentedness, but I don&#8217;t think that rules out happiness or sadness. Thich Nhat Hanh talks a lot about the sadness he felt when his mother died.</p>
<p>@ Derek &#8211; LOL, yeh it did kind of take on a life of its own! You&#8217;re right of course, all this is subjective, but it&#8217;s fun too.</p>
<p>@ Avani &#8211; I have to disagree (which is way cool because it opens things up). You cannot remain peaceful and worry about the goals you gave up. Ask yourself what your goals will give you. Then ask yourself what that will give you and then that. Keep doing this until you can go no further. Then and only then are you at the real core value. Se if it&#8217;s peace? If not it will probably be something similar. As Duffy said maybe &#8216;Wholeness&#8217; or maybe even &#8216;Love&#8217; Try it out.</p>
<p>@ Chris &#8211; Thanks and then no thanks for putting that image in my head. Don&#8217;t make me say anything about the Queen sat reading the paper on the toilet.</p>
<p>@ Tasmin &#8211; I agree. I don&#8217;t think <strong> I </strong>can achieve permanent peace of mind, but <strong>IF</strong> I could, it would be the ultimate meta value, to me at least.</p>
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